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sylviax
#1 Posted : Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:50:28 AM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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We haven't been getting many new members recently, and those that visit don't seem to return - which is a shame, as new people really keep the forum alive and vibrant.

I've just noticed that on the NRAS home page, under "Information and Support" - it promotes HealthUnlocked but not the Members Forum. Please can you give equal prominence to the Members Forum.

Thank you - Sylvia xx
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#2 Posted : Sunday, June 02, 2013 11:31:30 PM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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I'm sure there was a similar thread last year, I wasn't interested in health unlocked because I just wanted to be with nras special club!

Seems a shame that newbies don't want to join in because this is for everyone to share/have banter/help other's out.

Please come back new folk, we love to hear from you x
Anne-P
#3 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 1:54:33 AM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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I'd like to see this forum promoted more - as I find the health unlocked too difficult to navigate round as there are often so many posts that it is impossible to find the one your want.
I prefer this one - as it has sub-headings and it feels more like a community.
Lots of lovely people here and everyone feels like good friends.
So keep commenting folks... as I've had such a lot of good advice from everyone.
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Anne xxxx
(the one with the 2 broken elbows still.....)
NRAS-Emma
#4 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 10:55:47 AM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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Hi All,
A few months ago we updated the information page that is sent to all members about the Forum (both new and current), including how to access it and positive quotes from other users - it is also highlighted in the welcome letter we send. Obviously it is also mentioned as a membership benefit on our joining page and in our general leaflet. It is promoted via our welcome calls to new members and has featured in an e-news we sent out - so we are publicising it wherever we can! The information and support section on our homepage tends to list services that are open to all - which Health Unlocked is, and we are also somewhat limited by what we have space for on the homepage. This is something we hope to rectify with our new website later this year.

If there is any ways in which you think we can improve our website, and in particular, the Members area (which you reach once you login) then please do let me know membership@nras.org.uk
As always, all suggestions gratefully received!

Thanks for all your continued support,
Emma x

Paul Barrett
#5 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 12:33:56 PM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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NRAS-Emma wrote:
Hi All,
A few months ago we updated the information page that is sent to all members about the Forum (both new and current), including how to access it and positive quotes from other users - it is also highlighted in the welcome letter we send. Obviously it is also mentioned as a membership benefit on our joining page and in our general leaflet. It is promoted via our welcome calls to new members and has featured in an e-news we sent out - so we are publicising it wherever we can! The information and support section on our homepage tends to list services that are open to all - which Health Unlocked is, and we are also somewhat limited by what we have space for on the homepage. This is something we hope to rectify with our new website later this year.

If there is any ways in which you think we can improve our website, and in particular, the Members area (which you reach once you login) then please do let me know membership@nras.org.uk
As always, all suggestions gratefully received!

Thanks for all your continued support,
Emma x



Hi Emma (and everyone on the forum),

I am a recent forum member. For my sins, I am also a professional software manager. My take on this is a little different. What membership of the NRAS gives us is access to a community and that community is represented by the forum. To be blunt, the members area of the website is of limited interest because for those of us who are dealing with the practical issues of dealing with RA on a regular basis it is the experience of other sufferers that is our primary interest.

So I would make access to the forum as prominent as possible in as many places as possible on the main website and look to post some of the content from the main website within the forum. For example, if there is a guide to practical living, then at least link to it from a post within the forum, or alternatively post it as a thread.

In other words, the members area should be the forum primarily, with the website pages taking a secondary position. With respect, I think we currently have it the wrong way round.

Do this and traffic would increase immediately to the forum and drive up membership dramatically which can only be a good thing.

There you go, my two cents for what it is worth.
Paul Barrett

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suzanne_p
#6 Posted : Tuesday, June 04, 2013 7:40:42 PM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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yes i think there was a similar topic last year,

sadly a lot of older Members now have either left the forum or don't post .. but i for one do not like the Health Unlocked Forum, not sure if you have to sign up for it but it all looks a muddle to me.

also i don't like the idea of an open forum .. i used to belong to one about 5 years ago when i embarked on my weight loss journey, yes it was great to post my weight loss and also photo's but now looking back i know anyone could read or see my photo's!

i'm not technical but Paul's suggestions seem a good idea, would love to have more traffic through here again.

Suzanne
Sheila-R
#7 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:40:26 PM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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Did you receive a rep;y from NRAS re your suggestion Paul?
Paul Barrett
#8 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:14:20 PM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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Sheila-R wrote:
Did you receive a rep;y from NRAS re your suggestion Paul?


Nope, not a word. If those of you who agree with me could post to say so that might help?

These days, for many people, Facebook is a more useful forum. A closed user group (i.e. requests to join have to be accepted by an admin (just like this forum) would be easy to set up.
Paul Barrett

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Paul Barrett
#9 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:22:41 PM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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suzanne_p wrote:
yes i think there was a similar topic last year,

sadly a lot of older Members now have either left the forum or don't post .. but i for one do not like the Health Unlocked Forum, not sure if you have to sign up for it but it all looks a muddle to me.

also i don't like the idea of an open forum .. i used to belong to one about 5 years ago when i embarked on my weight loss journey, yes it was great to post my weight loss and also photo's but now looking back i know anyone could read or see my photo's!

i'm not technical but Paul's suggestions seem a good idea, would love to have more traffic through here again.

Suzanne



It's a fact of life that for every active poster on a forum there can be 10 lurkers. And that's OK if the latter get something out of the forum and there are enough active posters to keep things ticking over / representing enough diversity of views and audience. I think it is that latter area where we may have an issue. There are too few active posters.

So, first of all to all members who have not posted PLEASE - give it a try. We don't bite and we're quite nice people really. And a special plea to the guys - we are WAY outnumbered. Let's redress the balance!!.

But what would really help us would be for NRAS ro hear us and post entries to the forum that are referred to on the web site. Give people something to come for and comment on and traffic will build. Come on NRAS - please hear us!!! :(
Paul Barrett

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NRAS-Emma
#10 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2013 11:54:27 AM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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Dear all,

Thanks for your comments so far (do keep them coming!) - we had a big day on Friday looking at our website so apologies for the delay as I wanted to pass your feedback onto the rest of the team before responding.

Apologies if I have mis-understood but was your main suggestion to put the majority of the information on our website, via the members login? If so, unfortunately, the government funding provided to set up the charity was on the condition the main content of our website was accessible to all and we would not want to put a barrier in place (even if it did encourage more Members) and therefore stop patients receiving the information they are looking for. I do however also agree that there is a lot of sections in the members area that are unnecessary (repeating information from elsewhere) and so distracts from the forum.

I do also try and post items of interest e.g. such as Ailsa's recent radio broadcast, into the website/media/PR area when I can but do need others to do the same otherwise the posts are all from me, and this is your forum after all! (Paul - was this what you meant by 'post entries to the forum that are referred to on the web site'? i.e. PR items etc? please do correct me if not!) We'll try and do it a bit more often :o)

However, I do think your closed Facebook group option is an interesting one - something I will mention to my colleague Ruth who looks after our social media.

Would something like an online directory in the members area be of interest? e.g. a place for all the best websites for gadgets, insurance companies, member tested sites etc I've seen this done on other member areas and could be a useful summary, rather than trawling through previous posts on the forum? We could even do a printed one for those who aren't internet savvy. Just a thought.

I've noticed that in the members area the list of past e-news' hasn't been updated so, seeing as I recently took over sending them out, I'll try and get that updated! Don't forgot you can also get back-copies of the magazine there as well.

Is there anything else you wold like to see in the members area? If you'd prefer to email rather than post - membership@nras.org.uk

Thanks for your continued support.

BW,
Emma
Sheila-R
#11 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2013 10:24:08 PM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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I think there is a closed facebook group for members only called rheumatoid babes, it seems to be worldwide, so there are opinions from the states etc, but its a bit on the lovey dovey side if you understand what I mean, and that's not everyones cup of tea. I like the NRAS site as its informative as well as supportive.
Yes yes Paul I agree, I hardly look at the other parts of the site besides the froum as they didn't seem to change very often, I could be worng there so will go and have another look.

Best to all
Sheila
Paul Barrett
#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:26:03 AM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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NRAS-Emma wrote:
Dear all,
<snip>
Apologies if I have mis-understood but was your main suggestion to put the majority of the information on our website, via the members login? If so, unfortunately, the government funding provided to set up the charity was on the condition the main content of our website was accessible to all and we would not want to put a barrier in place (even if it did encourage more Members) and therefore stop patients receiving the information they are looking for. I do however also agree that there is a lot of sections in the members area that are unnecessary (repeating information from elsewhere) and so distracts from the forum.

I do also try and post items of interest e.g. such as Ailsa's recent radio broadcast, into the website/media/PR area when I can but do need others to do the same otherwise the posts are all from me, and this is your forum after all! (Paul - was this what you meant by 'post entries to the forum that are referred to on the web site'? i.e. PR items etc? please do correct me if not!) We'll try and do it a bit more often :o)

However, I do think your closed Facebook group option is an interesting one - something I will mention to my colleague Ruth who looks after our social media.

Would something like an online directory in the members area be of interest? e.g. a place for all the best websites for gadgets, insurance companies, member tested sites etc I've seen this done on other member areas and could be a useful summary, rather than trawling through previous posts on the forum? We could even do a printed one for those who aren't internet savvy. Just a thought.

I've noticed that in the members area the list of past e-news' hasn't been updated so, seeing as I recently took over sending them out, I'll try and get that updated! Don't forgot you can also get back-copies of the magazine there as well.

<snip>
Emma


The suggestion is that the forum is where you post the majority of information that would otherwise go in the members' area, to drive traffic to the forum, increases membership and push activity beyond the current low levels, Active posting of infomation by NRAS staff to the forum would be one thing, as would the news letters you mentioned Emma. In short anything that would create or deserves discussion should go on the forum. If you want to post an entry on the forum that cross-links to content actually hosted on the website, because that gives you better control over your content then that's fine, but the members area should in most cases simply be the forum.

Make the forum the epicentre, not the web site.
Paul Barrett

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suzanne_p
#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:01:57 PM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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i've just had a look at Health Unlocked page, and although i can't read everything as i am not a Member it does seem very busy, with name's i don't know.

it would be nice if they could join this forum if they choose to, do you actually think they know about us, i.e. are they NRAS Members, Health Unlocked wasn't available when i joined.

Suzanne
NRAS-Emma
#14 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:40:51 AM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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Hi Suzanne,

It is a popular site but it also has people from all over the world on it (mostly with RA but occasionally with other rheumatic conditions), which has to be taken into consideration when asking questions to people on there and when reading the blog posts. I know a lot of users on there are Members but, for the ones that aren't, we do use it to promote new publications, surveys etc. and a lot of traffic to our website is via HU. The HU team are very supportive of us and we are working together to try and improve the site. There's been a lot of talk on about the Members Day & RA awareness week on there so it is a good way of recruiting new supporters too!

Emma
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I have just taken a look at the Health Unlocked page too and I think there is a major problem here.

If you look at the Google entry for Health Unlocked, you will see a prominent entry for the NRAS site. Good, you might think. Actually, not so good, or rather good idea bad implementation.

If you click on that link you see a Health Unlocked wrapper page around some NRAS information on the top half of the screen and a whole load of forum discussion entries on the bottom half of the screen. Given that you came to this screen from an NRAS link you could be forgiven for thinking that the forum entries are from the NRAS forum. But they are not. They are from the Health Unlocked forum.

This implies that the NRAS has no forum, and that forum capabilities are provided to them by Health Unlocked. Whereas, of course, NRAS does have a forum of its own.

As an NRAS member, this worries me. NRAS is not subordinate to Health Unlocked and the implication that we have no form capability of our own does nothing to help drive traffic to our own forum.

I would suggest that, as a very minimum, health unlocked should be instructed to remove their forum links on the NRAS page and replace them with a link to NRAS's own forum.
Paul Barrett

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Paul Barrett
#16 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 3:14:38 PM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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Actually, it's even worse than I suspected.

If you look at the NRAS homepage, there is a section called information and support. In that section, you would rather hope that the NRAS forum would get a mention wouldn't you? Does it? No!

What it does include is a direct link to the Health Unlocked site for blogging and member views. So, clearly, NRAS itself does not want us to have a separate forum. Or at least, that's the only logical conclusion you can draw from the way the NRAS presents the access points to the various forums. Emma, you really need to sort this. :)
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NRAS-Emma
#17 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 4:15:03 PM Attach Edit Move Delete Quote
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Dear Paul

As per my previous post, we are in talks with Health Unlocked to make their blogging site more 'NRAS friendly' and it is us that put the link to their website on our own site, not the other way around. We can't link directly to the Forum as it is accessed via the Members area, which requires a login (and this is on the home page already). Ideally we would amend the pink login box to reflect that it gives access to the Forum etc. however we would have to get our web developers to change this, it cannot be done by us. As our website is currently in the process of being re-designed we hope you understand that it is better for us to make as few changes as possible to our current site. It has already been agreed that Membership will be promoted heavily on the homepage and also the benefits of membership in as many places as possible. I'll do my best to take into consideration all your comments so far! :o)

Emma
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hi Emma,

pleased to hear the forum will be more heavily publicised,

we seem to be a sinking ship here Sad

i know how invaluable this forum was for me 3 years back when newly diagnosed ( although i have to admit i was also scared reading some of the posts ) but i know we are all different and what happens to one doesn't happen to all, and that a balance of opinions/suggestions is helpful,

but this forum as well as the Helpline got me through some very dark days,

Suzanne

P.S. i should have mentioned that i was an NRAS Member a good 2 or 3 months before i even knew about the forum, it was only by speaking to a lovely lady on the Helpline who pointed me here, so perhaps that's an indication of why more publicity re the forum would be helpful.
stvcoward
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hi all,
As a relatively new forum member and a person with a basic knowledge of computers, I did become a HU member, I personally found that the traffic seemed to speed by to fast meaning' if I'd left it for a some days I needed to dig back a few pages to see a response, although it does have a community feel to it, the biggest plus is they send regular updates to my iphone (email).
The nras forum is much easier to navigate and offers a good old conversation, if they could send updates to my email it would give me the opportunity to browse during my lunch breaks, prompting me to respond much sooner.
steve
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Steve

Good points. I have tried subscribing to te forums but it doesn't seem to work very well so I echo your concern. But there is other forum software beyond the one used here. Have you registered your vote on the poll http://www.nras.org.uk/m....aspx?g=posts&t=4266
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